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7.21.2026 Historical Commission
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Good evening.
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I'm Rick Mancini, Chairman of the Historic Commission for the City of Fall River.
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It is 5— 6:05, Tuesday, July 21st, and we are meeting at One Government Center on the first floor in the hearing room.
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Pursuant to open meeting law, any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium.
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Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible.
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Our recording clerk this evening is Felicia Parker.
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She's sitting at my right.
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And the meeting is being televised and recorded by Greg Salvador of the Fall River Government TV.
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Present this evening are Commissioners Jonathan Lima, Commissioner Ken Shagdak, Commissioner Joyce Rodericks, Commissioner Caroline Aubin and Commissioner Ryan Klein.
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And our clerk for this evening again is Felicia.
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Felicia, have all petitions been properly advertised and all interested parties been notified in advance with the rules and regulations of the Historic Commission?
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Yes.
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Okay, I hereby declare Tuesday, July 21st, a regular scheduled meeting of the Historical Commission for the City of Fall River open for such business and shall resume before us.
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Okay, let's get started this evening.
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It's a rainy, cold, chilly night.
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Unexpected, huh?
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Uh, first order of the business today is open meeting law notices.
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We have received none.
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Can we have a roll call?
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Jonathan, would you start please?
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Jonathan Lima, present.
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Ken Shattuck, present.
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Joyce Rodericks, present.
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Caroline Aubin, present.
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Ryan Klein, present.
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And Rick Mancini, present.
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Could I have an approval of the minutes of June 16th?
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Motion to approve minutes June 16th.
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Second.
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First and a second.
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We'll take a vote.
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Jonathan?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Joyce?
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Yes.
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Caroline?
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Yes.
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Ryan Klein?
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Yes.
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And Rick Mancini?
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Yes.
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Next would be citizens' input, and I believe we have Jason Caminiti who wants to talk about the Bedford Street properties.
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One moment, Jason.
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I'd like to, in advance, have a motion that we extend the timeframe from 3 minutes to whatever's necessary, because this might be on the lengthy side.
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Do I have a motion?
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I move that we extend the timeframe.
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We have a first and a second.
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Do we take a quick vote?
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Jonathan?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Joyce?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Ryan Klein?
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Yes.
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Rick Mancini?
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Yes.
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Introduce yourself, Jason.
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Good evening.
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My name is Jason Caminiti.
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I live at 544 High Street in the Historic Highlands.
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And I previously served on the Fall River Park Commission.
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For over a century, 158 Bedford Street was home to the Fall River Police Department.
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Generations of officers started their shifts there and walked out the door to answer the city's calls.
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Some of them never returned.
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Developers had decades to do something with that building.
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They delivered nothing.
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Now it's coming down and taxpayers are paying $1.4 million to do it.
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The city, the city said the building was an emergency.
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That's fine.
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The building was an emergency.
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The lot is not an emergency.
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So the question tonight isn't whether the building comes down.
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It's what goes in its place, and so far nobody has said.
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I think that the site should become a memorial green for the first responders of Fort Worth Police, firefighters, EMS, and emergency management.
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A small green space, a simple memorial with the names of those who served, a few benches, some shade, and the sign and the pillar from the old building kept right there, not dropped in a warehouse where they'll disappear.
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There's a debt worth remembering here.
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When the current station on Pleasant Street was built, the city took about 3 acres of Britlin Park.
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That land was never replaced.
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This lot is only a third of an acre.
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It wouldn't square that debt, but it would be a start, and it would be— put the ground back to public use.
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I know this commission cannot create a park, but I— but it can ask.
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I am asking for one more thing, that this commission requests that no permanent decision about this parcel be made without public process.
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The public paid to clear it.
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The public should have a say in what comes next.
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Forever has a habit of letting things decay until a decision gets made for us.
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Let's at least make the right call this time.
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Thank you.
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Do we have any questions?
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Any comments?
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Cheap shots.
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Okay.
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There was a request made that we should notify— who would you feel should be notified?
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Administration?
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City Councilors?
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I don't know.
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Um, okay, certainly the— I've notified the city councilors.
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I've let them know that this is something that I've asked for.
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Okay, they have been made aware.
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Yeah, probably the Parks Department would be the next place, but, uh, or the park chair, rather, the commission.
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The, um, the issue is that when it's not a building anymore, I don't know how much control you have over it, but it is a historic ground, and it has been used for centuries, or a century, to, uh, to house police.
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So, it's something that I'd like to see be used again for something that's not a parking lot.
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Okay.
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Would there be— would a motion be in order that we present either the chair or a chair and a few of the members to the Park Board?
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Is that something that you think would— Is that who makes the decision?
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The Park Board?
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No, but the Park Board has a lot of input into construction and maintenance of parks.
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Creation of parks?
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Yes.
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Yeah, this would end up going eventually through the City Council and everything, for the full public process.
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All right.
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Is the Historical Commission in favor of creating, or does it need further discussion?
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Well, I think, I don't think anyone would be opposed to creating a park there.
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I just don't know that there's any jurisdiction, for lack of a better term, with the Historical Commission, especially once the building's down.
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I mean, you could try to write a letter to someone and see if you have some weight with them, but there's no official correlation between the Historical Commission and a vacant lot of property.
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So would a letter of support be a suggestion to administration, City Council, and park departments from the Historical Commission?
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Is that what I'm hearing a motion for?
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A park as opposed to probably any other number of unsavory, like parking lot?
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We don't know.
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Speculation, but we don't want to go on speculation as to what's being proposed.
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But, you know, this sounds like an excellent choice for a piece of property.
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And that area is growing quite a bit.
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A lot of apartments coming up in that area, and they have no green space.
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So this might be a nice adjunct to the— I will forward a motion that we as a board endorse the proposed idea in a letter to A, the mayor's office, and B, the city council.
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I would say, knowing that it has no binding weight, but it is an endorsement by this body.
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Exactly.
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I would say Okay, first and second it.
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Can we have a vote on that?
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Councilman Lima, yes.
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Ken Schrader, yes.
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Joyce, yes.
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Caroline Aubin, yes.
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Ryan Klein, yes.
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And Rick Mancini, yes.
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Okay, thank you very much.
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Thanks a lot.
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All right, next we have notice of intent to demolish.
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15 Robeson Street, there was a letter of non-applicability for demolition.
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The property is not listed on the significant structures list, so that was not an issue.
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We did receive a call from the contractor at the Diamond Vocational High School property, and they were looking for, I guess, a letter of non-applicability to take down the older schools.
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And again, that's not on a historic list of any sort.
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It's not on the Significant Structures, nor State or National Register.
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So again, a letter was issued of non-applicability for that.
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Any questions on either one of those?
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Okay.
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Correspondence.
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Congratulations to Commissioner Joyce Roderick and Commissioner Connie Soule, who is absent this evening.
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For for your reappointment, so you're all set again for a few more years.
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Thank you.
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Welcome for staying on board.
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There was a any questions about that?
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Any no nothing.
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Congratulations Joyce.
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A Michaela Laguina from the Roger Williams University.
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She was putting together a letter, and we all have a copy of that, which was rather nice.
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What it did is it highlighted Roger Williams University and it highlighted Fall River.
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So, I guess, would anybody want to have that letter read, or are you pretty Pretty well satisfied with the information?
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Very satisfied.
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It was beautifully done.
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Any highlights in there that you thought were striking?
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None?
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Okay.
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All right.
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It was just a good letter.
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It was talking about the Steep Brook area, and how they've worked with us for a number of years, and how they're going to continue to support us.
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Working on a lot of our historic sites and historic endeavors.
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And, they also jumped into the last area that they were working on was the lower cultural district, waterfront cultural district.
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So, they did mention that also.
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All right.
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We have the Mann murals that are situated in the old Bickby Tech building.
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And, I guess, Joyce, you might want to talk about that.
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I, I would.
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I don't mind if you want to move me down to number 4 so that the, uh, other issues can precede me.
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No, this is, this is correspondence, and you sent that to me.
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Oh, okay.
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I'd like you to just discuss that, and we'll move on to new business.
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Shall I take the table?
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Uh, you, you might.
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Sure, sure, you may.
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Well, I just want to add a little bit.
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I just want to discuss the status and give us a brief update.
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Yeah, I will be brief.
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Again, I believe in your packets you all have that A memorandum in there.
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All right, I just want to, um, I will be brief.
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I know this is a long project.
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I've been working on saving the man murals for 11 years.
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Um, what you have in your package is a summary of what's been going on.
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Um, it all started with a letter that I wrote to the editor of the Herald News in 2015.
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Um, we have a lot of new members on the board, so I'm not sure if you're familiar with the topic, but I'll briefly tell you a little bit about it.
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The only other issue would be, Jonathan, did you graduate before 1978 from Durfee High School?
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No, I wasn't born before 1978.
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Okay, okay, so you're not familiar with what I'm going to talk about.
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So if you want graduated from Durfee before 1978 and after 1940, which doesn't put me there, you're familiar with the Mann Murals that you see in your package.
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This page, the Mann Murals are in the Tech Auditorium, which is located on Rock Street, across the street from the Durfee Building.
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They are extremely valuable.
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They tell the story of Fall River from the Wampanoag Indians all the way through the textile period.
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They are the only contiguous collection of WPA morals in the— murals in the United States.
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Okay?
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I'm going to say that again.
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They are the only contiguous collection of WPA murals.
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You can go anywhere else and you can talk about WPA murals, but they're usually in post offices, or they're here or they're there.
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They're not in a contiguous story like you see in this picture.
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You're also going to see the fact that when I got in there, I noticed that they were subject to water damage.
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So my efforts initially were to stop the water damage, which the city of Fall River did and the school department did.
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So in this summary that you have on the back sheet, there is a commitment there from the school department to correct the issue of water damage.
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And they did that beautifully.
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They actually replaced the roof.
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So that was the first issue, correct the water damage so that damage would not happen to this valuable collection.
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The second thing at the top of your summary sheet is the examination that was done by Peter Williams, who is the state of Massachusetts authority on WPA murals.
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He conducted a survey of the murals and he found that they could not be moved and they could not be peeled off the wall because they are adhesed— part of the adhesive to the wall is hazardous material.
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So there are— his recommendation was to clean them or copy them.
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And that's where we are at this point.
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2 theories about cleaning and/or copying them.
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Um, then we, then we ran into limitations on working this due to COVID.
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You couldn't get in the building, you couldn't see or do anything with this project.
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Um, superintendents came and went.
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We have a new superintendent who's not familiar with this project.
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Um, that was another issue.
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So the operating officer, Ken Pacheco, who's been responsible for the building and replacing the roof, he and I have had long discussions.
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I've sent this email to him, um, asking him to give us a status on the project.
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I have not heard back from him, but today I did call his clerk, and I have to tell you that clerks are running very effectively in the school department and in the city hall.
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She made a commitment to me that she would speak to him directly and ask him to reply to this letter.
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To this email.
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And that's where we are right now.
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Um, the school committee has committed $7,200 for a test run of digital images of these murals.
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If the digital copies work and they produce copies that will be clear and precise and the impression that the artists have told me that high-resolution digital photography will be accurate.
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We don't know until we try it.
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So the commitment right now from the school department is to assess whether or not digital photography will work in making copies.
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If that doesn't work, the CPC— and I think you monitor that, Mr. Chairman— the CPC is interested in cleaning them, in cleaning them or making them available to the public, maybe through FRAC or tours periodically, so that at least they can be appreciated and seen.
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Right now they're in the auditorium, nobody sees them.
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They've been locked in there since 1978.
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It's part of the triage, Jonathan, of the new Durfee Building.
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So when Durfee was built, they had the bells, they had the chimes, they had the observatory.
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Stick to the murals.
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But they didn't have the murals.
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Stay on subject.
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And, and I can understand that because where were they?
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They were locked away and nobody was even aware of them.
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Nobody even thought of them.
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They left the building and they just turned the key.
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Right now the auditorium is kind of like a storage area.
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So I'm waiting to hear from Ken Pacheco, and you will see me again.
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You will see me again.
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I hope it's not 11 years from now.
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Thank you.
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I'll be able to give you a clearer view of where the school department wants to go.
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Good.
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Thank you for that presentation.
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And, uh, I have someone that might be able to do that digitizing for it.
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I, I did.
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I do.
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We've, um, over the years we've investigated that carefully.
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It's a specialized kind of photography.
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And we have 2 companies in mind, but it is a bidding process, so that has to be, um, someone who knows how to do that, not me.
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I don't know how to do the bidding process.
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Okay, well, thank you very much for your presentation.
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I'll be available in the lobby.
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I don't want to interfere with the rest of the program because it's a pending issue.
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But I want to keep it visible right now and make sure that we're going to follow through on what the school committee wants.
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Okay, thank you.
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Okay, thank you very much.
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Next, we're going to go into new business, and Mr. Ed Hamzanhoos from Mascan Capital I guess he's going to present.
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He's looking for a letter of support for the Globe Mills property.
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Ed, are you available?
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This is Michael LaFlash.
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I'm on the project team with Ed, here on his behalf.
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Okay, Mike.
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Well, welcome aboard.
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Can you just give us a little— Thank you.
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Give us a little background again on the Globe Mills, and where your process is, and where the progress is?
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Of course, and I'll ask forgiveness as we start here.
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The internet has been cutting in and out on my end, which is why I'm not on camera.
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Forgive me.
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But I am the historic preservation consultant on the project team, working on all the historic tax credit applications, things of that nature.
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Presently, there have been no design changes recently to the project.
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But some good news is that we are on target to start construction in the fall.
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And so that's our tentative schedule.
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And hopefully, you know, as we get to the next letter, request letter, around December, we can say that shovels have been in the ground and construction work has commenced.
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Okay.
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Any questions from the board?
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Any concerns?
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Michael, that was originally proposed for somewhere in the neighborhood of 90 apartments.
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Am I correct?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And there were— there was an outbuilding that you were concerned with.
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You were going to make a decision as to whether it was going to be part of the complex.
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Is that still part of the complex, or is it going to be eliminated?
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Uh, there are no outbuildings at Globe, at least our building at Globe.
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The Globe Mills complex does cut a little bit further down on both Globe and Griffin Streets.
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There is a second mill building in there, as well as an engine house and boiler house, but those are not under Ed's control and are not part of our project.
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Okay, thank you.
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All right, well, do we— are we ready for a vote?
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No questions?
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All right, could I have a motion to accept?
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And support a letter of support?
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Motion to, uh, provide a letter of support.
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Okay, do I have a second?
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I'll second that.
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We have a vote.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Joyce?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Ryan Klein?
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Yes.
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Rick Mancini?
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Yes.
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Okay, Michael, thank you very much.
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Well, then the next day or two we'll get a letter out to you for support of the Globe Mills project.
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Thank you.
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Thank you all very much.
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All right, next, Mr. Corriveau.
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If you could just give us your name and your address and proceed.
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Okay, I'm Don Corriveau from 690 County Street, and this is Michael from Seaberg Construction out of Johnston, Rhode Island, who we're working with and coming up with some plans.
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Before actually beginning, I can sense a real strong interest and appreciation for history in this room, so I want to take 2 minutes just to tell you a little history about 690 County Street.
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Certainly.
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In the late 1800s, we had several granite quarries quarries in the city, as you may know, and one of them was owned by a Mr. Israel Picard.
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His ledge, as they called some of the quarries at the time, was on the bottom of Eastern Avenue approaching the overpass going to Breton Avenue, directly across from McGowan Street.
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So it was on the other side facing McGowan Street.
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That was his ledge.
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So he decided to buy— build a showcase out of granite, and the building was built between 1897 and '98.
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And he had 10 kids and lived in the building for about 10 years.
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He then sold the building and to a Mr. and Mrs. Thibodeau, and they had that for approximately 10 years.
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In the '20s, it was owned by the Zeiss family, who had a little notoriety because one of the children, when he became an adult, was a 5-star general.
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So that's a little bit of the background.
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Next, my family's involvement.
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My paternal grandfather and his 2 sons were, as I understand it, the first to use a home as a funeral home.
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Now, it wasn't the first funeral home in the city, but it was the first one that was an actual home.
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The others were like storefronts.
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And in the early '30s, so 1932, they rented 624 Eastern Avenue.
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It's a white building you might have seen, and used that as a funeral home.
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And also around that time, most people did not use funeral homes.
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They used funeral directors, but Many times, the majority of cases, people were laid out in their own home.
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So the funeral directors owned the equipment to go into the home and to set up things for the wake.
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So in 1938, my grandparents purchased 690 County Street and turned it into a funeral home.
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My father and his brother were assistants.
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My uncle actually moved to Rhode Island and worked for a big funeral company.
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But it was my grandparents and my father who lived there.
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It was my grandparents who built the second floor porches and sun parlor of the building.
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So that is what brings me here today.
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Because the second floor porches and sun parlor are deteriorated.
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There's some design flaws that we could— but it lasted a number of years nonetheless.
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But as Mike might attest, it's almost impractical to rebuild it the way that is, which requires bending beams, and it would be very, very expensive.
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So that's one of my limitations, is the expense.
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So what I'd like to share with you is that the original house is what we're aiming to accomplish.
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In terms of data, it's in the application.
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But I found 2 sources of proof, of evidence regarding what it looked like.
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One actually came from this book here.
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My son found this for me.
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It's in the application, but this is the book.
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River, a pictorial history.
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And then this picture here is a picture of the Rolling Rock.
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Incidentally, this was a giant quarry where this leaned right across a big, big opening.
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But in the left-hand side here is a building, and if you blow it up, you'll see it only has a one-story porch.
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And the second one is also interesting.
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Because years ago, uh, descendants of both the owner and the second family that lived there have visited, and my mother was helpful in allowing them to enter the house and see what it was like.
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So I have the data.
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So in 2017 A lady came to my house wanting to see my mother, who had passed.
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She had with her a photo and a Xerox copy of the photo.
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This is it.
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That's in the application.
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She left this with my son.
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I've preferred the photo.
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I don't know who it was.
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It sounds like it was a Thibodeau.
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My son who accepted this, not this son, another son, said it was a Thibault, but I think that was Thibodeau.
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So in the application, what I did is to take this picture, and I did a couple of things.
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I asked AI Could it describe the model of the car?
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And it did.
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It said it was a 1913 Ford Model T Tourer, plus or minus 1 year.
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So that's pretty accurate.
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So I worked with that and I did use AI to take the car out and to clean things up.
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A better picture.
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Was the picture clear enough?
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Because I brought more copies.
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Great presentation on all of your product line, in my opinion.
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I guess that's where we stand.
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Well, thank you for the presentation.
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That was excellent.
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Thank you for the history.
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That was good.
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As I stated earlier, I lived right in that area back in the '40s and and early '50s.
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So we all have had this documentation for a few weeks now and had plenty of time to research and look at it.
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Are there any comments?
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I think first of all, I was there today with Don, and Don was good enough to give me a brief review of everything.
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And I see the House will be very thankful to be free of this addition, in my view.
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I think it's horrible.
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What was missing in the application was what the details of what would, what would go on to return the porch and the porch roof to its original look.
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I didn't see anything about that.
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I didn't see any detail.
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Were you looking for a specific material list?
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Or were you looking for more of this design?
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Design?
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Yeah, design.
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Design of it.
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And I didn't see that.
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I saw— I mean, it's— you can make out the original photo.
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So you can see how the original porch looked.
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But I didn't see anything in the application about how we're going to get there.
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So that is actually the plan is to restore it back as closely as possible to the original design.
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So the details of that are what I think are missing.
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Okay.
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So what we— as far as— so a drawing, scoping out just a drawing, a drawing with specific— with the specifics of an architect's drawing or a draft drawing.
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I mean, for me personally, I may— the board may disagree, but for me personally, I think getting rid of that, bravo.
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Because it's just like, when you look at the original house and then you look at that mess that was— it's fallen into a state of disrepair.
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Yeah, even if it wasn't, even if it weren't, frankly, I think it would be worthwhile getting rid of.
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Yeah, but it's just bringing it— the details of bringing it back to that original state I think is what I would like to see.
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Okay.
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Yeah, a drawing.
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And I would think some materials.
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Yeah.
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The windows that are going to be used to replace it, are they going to be— no windows?
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There's no windows on it?
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Yeah, it's a basic— it's a very simple roof structure that would be going back in place because time period correct for that.
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That is a simplistic— pass these around.
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Yeah.
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That's a fairly simplistic design.
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So we would recreate the same hip structure roof that is there right now.
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So we would essentially just be marrying that roofline.
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In fact, we plan on reusing the original line where it was cut into the granite to re-establish the roofline down.
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So it would essentially be that roof again.
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The plan is to use domestic standard lumber as is to code now to properly support the weight in compliance with load, you know, for snow and things of that nature.
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But from an aesthetic standpoint, it would closely match that design.
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That is the detail that we're going for.
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We didn't have architectural plans on it because, quite honestly, architectural plan adds an exorbitant amount of cost, you know, to the project.
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But for approval, I think for us to be able to give approval for that, we would have to see what we're approving beyond the demolition.
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So if you could reference that picture, and that is the plan.
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So the details of this picture, I guess, would be what I would personally like to see.
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Okay, the specific— the specifics, so that we knew, so that we know clearly.
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So when it's done, we know what we know ahead of time, what it's going to look— what it's gonna look like prior to it.
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Could I share that we're really going through our budget to sure, bring this back to the historical significance it has.
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And hiring an architect is another several thousand dollars that I would prefer.
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I don't think an architect— this is a pretty simple thing.
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So I don't think an architect is necessarily necessary.
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This— yeah, the— I'm sorry, Jeremy, his son.
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Let me just put one detail in here.
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What you're saying makes complete sense.
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And I understand that a drawing or design would be useful at a time like this.
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But just to be specific, when we're talking about this design, like Mike mentioned, we're talking about really just the design of the roof of the porch.
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Our plan is to keep the posts and all of the first floor railings as they are.
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So that would not change.
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Yeah, the only thing is from the ceiling up.
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So the ceiling up, we would be removing that and we would just reestablishing that existing roofline.
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So essentially it would be a series of rafters with a support beam structure underneath, and then the standard plywood on top combined with flashing and the shingles.
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That would be the roof structure.
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Are you able to match the roofing material?
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As far as— yeah, I mean, we're gonna try and match as closely as possible, but obviously something that was built at that time compared to the current materials You know, and also we want to make sure that it's properly weather tight and that the porch itself in the front doesn't get damaged.
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So we are going to go with an architectural shingle to it.
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We are using domestic spruce lumber.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Any other comments?
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Are the— sorry, I'm sorry.
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The windows that were originally there before the roof and before the sun porch was added.
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Um, they're still there.
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They're still there inside the structure.
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Yeah, this was like a sticker on the outside.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Yeah, this is essentially a sticker on top of that beautiful building, so we're peeling it off.
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Okay.
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Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask.
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Yeah, so originally this window was turned into a door that led to the sump hole in the front, with each door going to the porch on each side.
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So this is going to go back to being a window, like it was.
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Same roofline, you know, it's following the same slope, you know, matching up to those existing posts that are there.
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So there will be one new window.
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Where the door was, correct?
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Yes.
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So that's going to have to be something that matches in kind to— what was that?
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The existing windows?
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Yeah, the windows in the property.
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And was— what was— where was— what was— how was the door inserted where a window was?
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What was removed?
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The granite.
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The granite beneath.
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So what's going to happen now when you replace— the door is returning to window, what's replacing the bottom?
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It'll be granite.
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Back to the granite.
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Okay, matching?
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Yes.
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Yep.
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Okay, see, those are the details.
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Those are some kind of details that I personally, for, for an approval process, would like to make subject to those details, subject to seeing those details ahead of time, so we can say this is what we're approving, this is what it's going to look like, rather than saying, you know, this is what it's going to look like.
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That's probably not quite good enough.
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But I mean, I applaud what you're doing.
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And I don't want to make it— I wouldn't want to make it, you know, more expensive.
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And we're not talking about an architect necessarily.
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It's just some kind of drafting of a— the contractor can very easily give us some hand drawings of what you intend to do.
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That's not an issue.
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We'll take a hand drawing.
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So would it— would an AI-generated drawing work in lieu of it?
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Because you've never seen my handwriting.
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So an AI— that's— AI is putting architects out of work these days.
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So I could do an AI with it.
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Yeah, not a problem.
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That would be— that'd be wonderful.
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Uh, are you pressing in time to get this constructed, going?
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Are you— because you're running out of summer?
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There is an element to that for sure, because the demo to it.
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We would prefer not to be doing the demolition in the fall.
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Yeah.
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Because there's a lot of protection that needs to occur on this property as well.
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So with the inclement weather, we prefer to do it during the summer, you know, when we have longer days and, you know, better weather conditions.
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Do we have any other comments or questions?
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It's a great project.
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Seeing it today and seeing this and then seeing what was there and just how dreadful that looked compared to what was originally built there, I applaud you.
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I mean, even though you're doing it because you have to, we're very happy you're doing it.
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Yes, you're to be commended for this.
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Truthfully, it's It's really, really good to see people taking the effort to restore.
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That house is the star of the neighborhood, as you know.
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That house is the star of the show.
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That's why we're salvaging as much material as we can.
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We plan on harvesting as part of the demolition project, saving all of the posts, saving as much of the beam structure as we can.
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So any material that can be repurposed and reused, that is the plan to do so, you know, to respect the property.
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I would, I would favor a proposal from the board, and a motion made that we release this building for construction through the building department, with the contingency that we get within a stated amount of time, some sort of an AI drawing, but we'll release through the building department to allow this to pursue.
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And I would say even that drawing would just— we could make it easily subject to the chairman's, you know, so you don't have to bring— you don't have to wait till the board meets again or whatever, just subject to approval by the chairman.
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Yeah, that's reasonable.
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I could get that back to you in a realistic time.
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That's great.
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Thank you.
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So, let's— do we have a motion to that effect?
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I move that we approve the project subject to the final drawing and specifications approved by the chairman.
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I'll second that motion.
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Okay, do we have a vote?
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Yes.
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Ken Chaddick, yes.
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Joyce, yes.
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Caroline, yes.
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Ryan Klein, yes.
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And, Rick Mancini, yes.
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Thank you very much.
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You're all good to go.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Excited to see it, see this house back.
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Yeah, I was walking my dog, just came home just right in time to see you.
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Yes, you did, as I was about to walk on the property, I think.
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Once that's removed, the scale and scope of it, it's going to make it pop because removing that is just, you know, carving up there.
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It is, it is.
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Even when you see for the big granite in terms of the front stairs, those are 2 you want to Huge pieces of granite, you know.
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So this, that's not going to move.
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It's going to be a showcase again.
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Yes, it is.
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We love that.
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There we go.
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You do.
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I can see that you do.
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I've been there most of my life.
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I can see that you do.
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And thank you so much for putting the time and effort into it and coming before us.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Okay.
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Well, that was good.
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Next is, this is going to be another interesting discussion.
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We have City Councilor Christopher Peckham here, and he's going to talk about a stone marker that's been discovered by Councilor Peckham.
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And he's going to— I'm going to stop at this point.
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I don't want to take away all your thunder.
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If you could just introduce yourself.
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Better dressed than I do myself, Rick.
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Good evening.
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Christopher Peckham, City Council.
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So I want to, I want to start this by actually mentioning we've had this conversation, Mr. Caravo's property.
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I went to Talbot Middle School.
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I've always been into history, my parents, my father, my grandmother.
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That is one of my top 3 favorite homes in the city.
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So to sit here and watch that it's going to go back to its original state is actually exciting.
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I want to preface this stone by thanking the commissioners, you, Mr. Chair— Co-Chair Lima.
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I'm a firm believer that Fall River is only going to get ahead of itself by harnessing its history.
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I say it all the time.
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We look around the city today, it becomes unrecognizable.
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And when this city was at its best, in its heyday, was our textiles, our manufacturing.
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We provided jobs.
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People came here and worked.
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Why I say that is, is I believe the stone that I've come across could be a great segue into big things within the city of Fall River.
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I would go on the market-rate housing rant as to how I want to see jobs and industry back in, back in our mills, because that's what's going to be beneficial for the city.
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But that's a conversation for later on down the road.
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To touch upon this stone, back in 2020, Mike McHugh from Freetown had reached out to me.
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He had known that I was a history buff, for lack of a better term, and he reached out to me and he told me about this marker and begged me to save it.
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So in 2020, I went up, I checked out where this marker is, um, would like to leave the location undisclosed at this time.
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For obvious reasons, we don't need it to disappear.
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But I was notified as to where the stone was.
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And I went up and I located a property that needed taken care of by the city of Fall River.
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Me and my son went up, we took care of the property, and we had relocated the stone.
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The stone was placed there in 1659.
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And I don't know if you have the history that I had sent you, Rick?
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We do.
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Yes, I'm gonna pull it up here.
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So on April 2nd, 1659, a group of 26 proprietors purchased approximately 16,000 acres from the Wampanoag sachems Wamsutta Alexander and Tituppanee— I had to look that up on how to pronounce it— which was Wetamoe.
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The land became what we know as know today as the Freeman's Purchase, um, and later form much of present-day Freetown and Fall River.
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Um, to my understanding, the Freeman's— recording in progress.
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Fantastic.
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Um, to my understanding, the 26 plots of land ran down towards Rodman Street and then were further up north towards Freetown.
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I would like to save this monument because in my opinion this is one of the most important pieces of our history that describes our settlement here.
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I go to Plymouth Rock, and I don't know if that's the rock that everybody stepped off of the boat, and I really don't know, but I can tell you that William Brewster, Love Brewster, Mr. Gage, all people that actually stepped foot off this Mayflower and settled here and created what we enjoy today, place that stone in the ground.
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I know, Rick, you have reached out to the state to get their opinion on it.
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I want to move on this ASAP.
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I think it's a great thing for the city.
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And again, I think this is a piece of history that will bring Fall River to the forefront again to get back to where it was.
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I commend you guys for what you do.
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I really do.
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Because the history of the city is everything to me.
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I've probably bored Rick over the past couple of weeks with many stories that I have about the city, but I love it, and I love what you do.
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I love the architecture.
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We need to harness that.
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We do.
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We have to get people in here and show them our architecture in the North End, because there's no other place in New England or the United States that's similar to Fall River.
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But I think this stone is is the starting piece to that.
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So whatever you guys can do, and I know we've been working very closely on this, whatever you can do to help me and get that to the Farver Historical Society would be fantastic.
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That way people can enjoy it.
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That thing's been in the ground for hundreds of years and nobody's really seen it.
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I think when you put your eyes on it, you, you feel the excitement of the history of this area.
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And for myself, I go back to that time in my head to where everybody was a cooper smith or a clothier, a blacksmith.
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That was grit and determination.
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That's what— no, my cane didn't like that.
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It was grit and determination that built this city, and that rock is— that monument is an example of that.
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So I appreciate you guys.
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Thank you.
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I think you could be free to say that the city is now actively helping us to remove that and move that, and it's going to occur.
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We're not divulging the location, but it should occur on Friday morning.
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And that the Historical Society is going to store the monument and arrange some sort of an arrangement.
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Maybe you can relay that.
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You're going to display it of some sort of display.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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So it is working.
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And thanks for being informed.
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Councillor Peckham called a few weeks ago and said, Rick, I got this thing, maybe we should look at it.
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Let's see if we can work it retrieving it.
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And we should have it in our hands on Friday morning.
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I'm just waiting for one email.
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I will reach out tomorrow morning to that person for that email, which would give us the go-ahead.
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I do want to add, this would have gotten done in 2020, but COVID hit and everything got shut down.
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So I wasn't able to get to it.
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And I had a little stint off the council in between.
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And this has been on the top of— it's been on my mind ever since 2020 to get it out of there and save it and preserve it.
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So I appreciate you guys.
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Thank you.
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Okay, great.
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Thank you.
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Well, thank you very much for the presentation.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Have a great day.
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Thank you.
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Okay, well, no further comments?
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Move right along?
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Okay, it's been a long evening, huh?
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We'll just very quickly, we'll go over the old business.
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The status of the Historical Commission's annual report is all being taken care of.
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I personally have been having problems getting through to the Mass Historical Commission.
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Whenever I send anything in bulk, I think they have a tremendous— I'm thinking a series of firewalls.
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If I send a quick email, it gets to them.
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If I send any document, they never seem to get it.
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So, Felicia is going to take care of this for us.
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I spoke to them within the last week, and I've tried twice, and it's just not getting through.
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So, it just might be my inability to handle the computer.
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Little Theater, that's moving along very well.
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The contractor is taking care of the roof.
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He's made a request for a few payments for materials only.
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He's got quite a bit of the roof completed.
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He's got probably 2 more months of work.
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But, as he stated, it's going to be good for another 100 years once he's finished with it.
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Any questions?
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None?
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Move along.
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Okay.
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Central Fire Station.
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I know that the project went out for bid, and the bids were due.
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I have not heard.
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Hopefully, I'll have some information tomorrow, but I do not know what's going on.
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And, that's just the Bedford Street side at this point.
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The drawings and documents have not been completed for the remaining portion or the interior of the building.
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The only documents that did go out for bid was the Bedford Street front.
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Okay?
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Let's see.
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On the Anawan fire station, fire station, I was by there yesterday.
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They've got probably half of the windows are in.
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There were windows on the first floor that have sort of an arch on the top.
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And what the company did is decided to send the arch through in plastic.
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So the contractor is well aware that it's being watched closely, and they sent the windows back, and the manufacturer is going to redo the windows as per specifications.
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So, the contractor is really helping us here.
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This is really working well.
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Let's see.
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The Bank Street Armory, we're moving right along.
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There's a meeting tomorrow at 3:30 with Mr. Deckel from the Historic Commission.
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If there's anyone that wants to attend, invited to.
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We just can't not have more than 3— myself and 2 others— otherwise we'll have a meeting.
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So if you 2 other commissioners want to show up there, that's fine.
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What we're going to do is just go over the armory, the interior, what it needs, because we have this funding now from the state and from CPC to do a complete study on the property, total study.
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That's good.
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The '40s— any questions?
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None.
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All right.
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The '40C project, ironically enough, there was some interchanging of emails between the Preservation Society and the PAL, Public Archaeologist Laboratories, and the final commitment from preservation.
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We, from the Historical Society, at the Historical Commission, found no real issues with the drawings and with their Form Bs.
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But, I guess they hadn't gotten together, I guess, the Preservation Society.
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So, they did.
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They had a little discussion and they've agreed that the commitment is made.
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The Form Bs are satisfactory.
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So, now it's a matter of getting together between the Historical Commission.
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We'll get a presentation in the next month or so, hopefully, and we'll move right along with the 40C expansion.
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There's a lot to do with that.
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We've got to go before the Historical Commission, Mass Historical Commission.
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We also have to do a lot of public meetings.
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Meetings.
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Who is the we, Rick?
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We being Preservation Society and Historical Commission.
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Historical Commission.
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Yeah, we're working as a team on this.
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Okay.
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And does the state look at both?
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I'm just, I'm so familiar with Rhode Island's process that I, and I understand Massachusetts is somewhat different.
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Is it the Historical Commission that makes the application going forward?
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I know they do it with the Preservation Society, but I mean as far as governmentally, is the Preservation Society just there as an advisory capacity and it's the Historical Commission that is in fact— Yes.
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Okay.
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And what has to— again, it goes to the Mass Historical Commission, but the city needs a commission, which we are, to move this along and to put it together.
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So what it is, it's a team effort between the two.
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The original 40-seat program that we have was put together primarily by the Preservation Society 14, 15 years ago.
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And so they're working in concert with us to get this accomplished again.
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And the final say-so, the final approval is done by the City Council?
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It's by the City Council, 2/3 vote, yes.
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2/3 vote of the city council?
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Of the city council.
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So, we need 7 members of the city council to give it a blessing, in order for the expansion to take place.
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Okay.
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And, we're looking, at this point, at an additional 50 dwellings.
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Within the same district?
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Within the same.
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Is it going to be a different district?
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No, no, it's the same district.
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Just an expansion of the same district?
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Yes.
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Yeah, thanks.
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Good.
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All right, let's see.
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Again, if there's anyone here that wants to volunteer for any of these projects that we're doing or any that we have, anything we have, significant structures of this, you mentioned earlier you want to get on the 40C.
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Yeah, I was involved with that in Rhode Island, and so I would like to just— Absolutely.
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Involved.
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Okay, anything else?
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Want to— any other old business or any discussion on any item?
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Okay, then let's have a motion to adjourn.
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Motion to adjourn at 7:02 PM.
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I second.
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Okay, we have had a motion to adjourn and adjourned.
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